Let me repeat that, every single one, no exceptions. I just left the Marine Corps and want nothing more than to begin my flight training, but I still cant help but wonder about the outcome, especially after all I have read on this thread. But missing information will simply cause delays and more work; the medical examiner and/or the FAA's Aeromedical Certification Division in Oklahoma City, Okla., won't process an incomplete form. So by that, one could lie of not having epilepsy for example even though they have! By the way a friend of mine died 2 hours after acquiring his 2nd class medical. I found my regular doctor because I was looking for an AME. There is no such thing as a good faith mistake. Many pilots get away with submitting false information on their MedXPress applications. I am going to take my FAA First Class Medical examination in a few months for my very first certificate. N I am a rental pilot as well, and unfortunately, there are no sport rentals available, and they are too expensive to buy. It does nothing to me other than help prevent the gotta go right NOW urges. 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When I joined the military, it popped up at MEPs and I had to complete a waiver but I was allowed to go to boot camp. That is the FAA point of view. I showed him on the form. Most get grounded for a year? As one previous poster mentioned, why not let the AME make more of the calls, especially for class 3? In fact, as I write this, I see over on the corner of my screen a tweet entitled Older pilots are safe pilots. Unfortunately some do lie. This is truly a Great Debate. And the Medical Flight Test needs to be taken only once and the SODA is good indefinitely. TH REASON IS FOR INJURIES I RECIEVED WHEN MY 01 LANDED WITH OUT A RUNWAY. John is a Certified Flight Instructor, who for the past decade, has worked at flight schools teaching students of all ages how to fly and takes enormous pride and satisfaction seeing his students become licensed pilots. A highly experienced AME, also a 747/DC-10 Captain for a major airline, once told me that crewmembers lose consciousness in the seat about half a dozen times every year. The process is so closed ,opaque, and bureaucratic. Youre making a mistaken assumption that its never a safety issue. So whatever reason the FAA brings to you such as your depressed or you have ADD, they dont know what the **** theyre talking about. BUT I HAVE 40+ YEARS AND 5100 HRS OF PIC IN MY OWN AIR CRAFT WITH OUT INCIDENT OR ACCIDENT. Ive no choice but be truthfull,but I am sure Ive flown with other pilots who are afraid of admitting or just dont admit that they are not fit to fly themselves or their passengers safely.Does that ache youve been noticing or even worse ignoring mean something? Self certification is where the FAA should focus their energy. 99.999999% of pilots can and should self-certify for 3rd class flying. So, instead of less regulation, we need more and along with that comes enforcement. I know of several pilots who have useful vision in only one eye or have amblyopia that makes it impossible for them to pass the eye exam. They defer anyone with a deferrable problem rather than have the pilot provide the necessary data from the treating physician(s) before submitting the 8500-8. From a practical standpoint, it makes the most sense. I think that I could make a very compelling argument that, in many cases, the FAA medical actually does more harm than good. They always do it under the banner of safety. After you complete your MedXPress application, you will need to schedule an FAA flight physical with an Aviation Medical Examiner (AME). I hadnt had any issues or symptoms for over 10 yrs., doctors Id seen always pronounced me fit & healthy. Yes I can agree even thought I am a pilot right now I do want to work for the airlines one day so I will need a first class which I currently hold. My AME is like a brother to me and a damn good doc to boot Lamentably, if I have something which could be a liability to me on my next medical, I can not ask my AME/best friend about my problem, and discuss it with him. There could be a much better system in place that would not compromise safety of small aircraft. Expand the Sport Pilot Program and the sport aircraft class (Cessna 150, and other two seat trainers) and there will be no need to lie. Is Medical Coding The Same As Medical Transcription? During an FAA medical, a urine test will take place that checks sugars and protein levels. most reputable and up-to-date sources, which are also cited in the text. Thats just BS. - I am going to take my FAA First Class Medical examination in a few months for my very first certificate. Medical certificates are designated as first-class, second-class, or third-class. The most recent was a year and a half ago. The FAA has created an atmosphere that not only encourages problems to go unchecked and unreported, but actually makes some of those problems worse by discouraging pilots from addressing them, instead allowing them to fester. If your AME does not spot anything on your physical exam, you have a clean driving record and you have never served in the military, chances are that the FAA will not question the information you submit in MedXPress. What can some shrink tell me about myself that I dont already know? Now do you AMEs see how ridiculousness the form is? Does anyone know the statistics of how often a dead pilot at a crash is found to have prescribed medications for a condition that has not been reported on the 8500-8? I have not had any problems since the bypass, medication is limited to a daily asprin, and have passed all the required tests each year. I am an AME and 4,000 hour pilot. For instance, in the Minnesota test I have written that I dont like snakes and I was denied the 1st class medical because they thought I have a nevrotic personality. Funny thing is the murmur is gone but Ill never have my life back If you lie on your medical form Best of luck. On the part of most pilots here its not lying. What are the chances of getting caught lying on an FAA medical? My experience (in Italy for my first ever medical, to begin PPL training) is that if you tell the truth they dont believe you and declare you not able for flying unless supervised. Is the time and expense involved worth it? He did not disclose any of his medical issues to the AME, and passed his medical in 2011. No pill makes that any different no weekly conversation with an over-paid, disinterested asshole makes it different either. I have been flying for 39 years and professionally since I was 18. Even patients, with well controlled epilepsy, may safely drive. Pilot organizations offer free advice to members, commercial outfits offer advice and assistance for a fee and printed resources are available. Yeah thought so. Sorry for apparently differing from the crowd on this, but I think people are nuts if they are lying. If the FAA ever decides to search to see if he is taking any prescription medications (which they dont do often, but they have the ability to do), they will most likely pull his medical permanently for falsification. Obviously, many do. From the archives: how valuable are check rides? The problem is I was diagnosed with ADHD back when I was about 9. An attorney that focuses on FAA medical denials may be able to guide you through the process and work with the FAA to achieve certification. Most people fall into the trap thinking that one DUI will prevent them from getting their medical, or they fear it will make it difficult to get. We display medical information based on FAAs Civil Aerospace Medical Institute (CAMI) medical records. If you are stupid and want to wait months for a medical waiver. Im older now and have some typical late 40s health issues. He landed safely, but it was his last flight. Mr. Diabetes can still legally fly as a sport pilot. If pilots routinely lie, but its never a safety issue It is none of their business. I'm not offering any advice on what to do. Did you answer Yes on the question and get you special issue? You wouldn't report your dad or grandpa if he had a serious medical condition that could endanger his passengers and he was lying about it? Syed, I read a lot of threads on here about how pilot are getting caught lying on their medical applications. We can never win with you, only lose. Again, take a look at the AME Guide on the FAA website. One had sleep apnea that resolved with weight loss and the other no longer has type 2 diabetes. I on the other hand can only fly sport and do when I can find a plane to rent. Period. John has been quoted or mentioned in major publications, including Chron, Flying Mag, and National Review. So why open a can of worms by telling the aviation medical examiner? Im an AME. There shouldnt be different standards for flying than are for driving. Drowning deaths 2400 However, if you are involved in an accident, incident, or disciplinary action, you can bet that the FAA and the necessary authorities will take the time to investigate, and things you didnt disclose will come out. I could not stop thinking about being in the air. Case in point: A student pilot I was familiar with crashed his aircraft into the runway and killed himself after being arrested for drunk-driving the previous night. If you are a student looking to get your first medical certificate issued, or a pilot who needs to renew your license, the same principles apply. Requesting Medical Records. It is already hard enough to convince the FAA that you are healthy enough to fly after dealing with lifes curve balls. The reader should always consult his or her doctor before discontinuation of any medication. Thank you for the advice and expertise Sir, you just saved me a $50.00 discussion appointment with my AME. Last summer I went to get my 3rd class med. This is just as important an issue as the proverbial get homeitis problem so many flyers seem to have. Most major airlines are in negotiations at this time, and many are contentious. The airman who never was on medication for depression and certinatly never had a hospitible addmitance was now having to prove a negative. Cancer is ranked highest for men, With an 11.6 percent chances of getting caught lying on faa medical up to $ 200 self-reporting nature, chance. I was told at a young age I could not fly with one eye, but latter in life I found out I could with a medical waver. We only use the There shouldnt be different standards. For airmen, this, like so many other aspects of aviation, is a judgment call'but one that also gets tangled up in personal ethics. It was OK to fly without government harassment. I can meet Class 1 if I fib. Be careful that if you have seen your doctor and are responding yes to question 19 and your doctor diagnosed you with ADHD (or suggested that you had ADHD), you will also likely need to respond yes to question 18m. @Brian B. Signed, RN/PPSEL/IFR. A. If you qualify for an FAA medical certificate, they will issue it to you at the end of your appointment, document your exam findings, and transmit your application to the FAA. So the Medical certification system is statistically, virtually, perfector..redundant AS LONG AS you are in a multi-crew aircraft. Your AME will review your MedXPress application in detail and conduct a physical exam. Managing a flight department or want to offer a premium service to your club members or students. Some of the disqualifying conditions are definitely going to keep someone from getting a medical certificate, but these are illnesses such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. If you have ever been denied a medical, you still cannot go in and just use your drivers license. I am working with a private party who specializes in this sort of thing and he cant really give me definitive answers either; just educated opinion and guidance. Dont take it personally, those are just the facts on the ground. Willy post had only one eye should he have been grounded.??? Few people have memory of everything diagnosed as a child, how many appoinments one has been to in the last 3 years, or even knowledge of what the doctor has put in your medical record. He passed his 3rd class every time. I can empathize with that Louis. He refused to take the physical his business required because his family had a history of heart trouble, he was a bit overweight, etc. What will actually happen if you are caught lying? I say that based on the relative numbers discussed above. Smaller countries use the FAA regulations for medical certification and, therefore, use the 8500-8 form and have it submitted to the FAA for approval. I know a pilot who lost enough weight for his sleep apnea to disappear. Its not a profession which that college students wake up and decide they want to fly a plane. However, I also think that the standards for commercial and airline pilots should be more stringent. Students and young pilots just want to fly. According to Pilot Self-Grounding Requirements (CFR 61.53), pilots have the duty to ground themselves and report to the FAA any changes in their medical condition before they are able to fly again. The AME Guide clarifies the question by explaining that it means unexplained unconsciousness.. Find one that will work with you to meet the necessary requirements, but lying is not an option. If you fear denial, speak to someone that knows what they are talking about, not a blog. Brian is absolutely right. With a second class medical, itll be 12 calendar months, and if you start with the third class medical, itll be for 24 calendar months. I think a regular physical should be required, but the special AME physical in all reality boils down to a tax disguised as safety concern. I lost my 2012 medical cert in Istanbul, and make the mistake of sending the FAA form requesting a duplicate. That process will have to be repeated every year. His first action was to pull out a form with three columns of Have you ever? items each requiring a yes/no response. About a week before I was suppose to be soloed I went for my medical and was told by my AME that I cant fly because I take adderal. The smart ones do. Im just grateful to have my medical and hope to keep it however long I have to have it. But, it was not the fault of the FAA, it was mine for not verifying the doctors statement before submitting it. Its a basic truth of the human condition that everybody lies. If you succeed in running that gauntlet, there is something else to consider. The other will not. Should I be worried? What objective proof can they present that Im actually depressed or for that matter no longer depressed that would otherwise qualify me for a medical? Simply having an assault on record does not by itself result in denial. Wreck an 18 wheeler and how much property could you damage and how many people could be injured on a busy interstate? The list of silliness just goes on and on. One correction that I expect an AME to know if you have a condition that you KNOW will result in a medical denial, youre not qualified to fly sport. Regardless of whether they lie or not, the system seems to be working there seem to be very few (if any) crashes or incidents related to pilot incapacitation that they FAA/NTSB can point to a problem that should have come in a medical. In this application, you must disclose any information about a condition that has the potential to affect your eligibility to fly. I am very curious. The 1320 pound (600 Kg) limit is based on the European standard, I think. I cheeted on a eye test flowen with out a incedent. Please type or print legibly and remember to sign and date the request. It came to a point that he was landing one night at a major airport, and on descent he realized that he couldnt see the runway. The FAA revised 61.53 to include under this prohibition sport pilots who use a current and valid U.S. drivers license as medical qualification.. The FAA gives final denial to only 0.01% of applications. speaks to mental disorders of any sort. It goes on to give examples of depression, anxiety, etc. The FAA typically expects applicants to also identify at question 18m. I didnt lie on my Class 3 medical, was a 55 yr. old student pilot, have since been told by several older pilots that I was honest but naive. These are a few of the most frequently asked questions pilots have concerning the FAA and their medical certificate. When learning to fly originally I was not even made aware this nor the NPPL was available. Bluskye, the FAA does not have the personnel to handle things quickly.. After numerous attempts I decided to contact the FAA of the situation so he would not get away with deceiving the AME again. The AOPA and the EAA are going to propose an exemption to the third class physical exam that would allow us to use our drivers license as our medical to fly recreational. We train for emergencies and stalls etc. Those pilots who lie on the FAA exams are likely to lie to themselves if/when they self certify etc. I was dumb enough to tell them about my marriage counseling! My understanding is that the FAA cannot see your personal medical records without your permission so how are guys getting caught. Its not lying its letting them find out, which would probably never happen unless something came out about it. frankly I aint go no reason to lie,,,but anybody else wants to up to them,ur lic at stake..jus hope u dont endanger anybody else..if its serious..ur life at stake alsow/everybody else below youso happy flying w/clear consciousRex. Now Ive been unemployed for a couple months and who knows how long before some beaurucrat decides to actually look at my file snd say ok. Ive followed all the steps they dictated,all my tests and results are right on but because they wont simply look and see that Ive followed thrie rules and was honest,Im looking at becoming a burden to the system and living on public assistance until I get my medical back. 5 years until age 40, then 4 years until age 45, then 3 years until age 50, then 2 years. If I dont tell him would the FAA find out if I never had another attack? Hell no. Auto accident deaths 30,000. Dont worry about getting caught unless you lie about you criminal history you will be fine. I have read articles online about pilots who get caught falsifying their medical. Congress should forbid the FAA from requiring any medical for recreational flying. I have a perfect driving record,clean medical history,and also a clean criminal history. The guy who is lying about hypertension is making a huge mistake. One way is by lying. Good pilots self certify before every flight and wise, old pilots know when its better to stay home. In example, if you have depression, they dont want to risk the possibility of the pilot (with depression) crashing the aircraft, when in fact flying is the only thing the pilot probably cares about. File closed. He showed no regard for the safety of others, nor did he feel guilty about lying, just relieved he passed. But, to the uninformed, it has an appearance of diligence. The other crewmembers will consult the seniority list to see how they fare after my death. Its mode of travel, the air, makes it a lot more divertable than stuck to a road, and should make it safer, Especially as opposed to the majority of motor home drivers, that are in their later stages of life, howling down the freeway at 70 miles per hour in bumper to bumper traffic. Everyone should say they have been dizzy. That is an entirely different responsibility that warrants a real physical exam. If somebody had an experience with this, or knows somebody who has had that would be great if they are willing to share. I think that FAA should be concerned about this difficulty in people. Learn more here: thepilotlawyer.com/faa-medical/. The med examination wasnt any different from the third class but the vision requirements are different. The FAA is able to see what medication a pilot has been subscribed because they have access to the national prescription database. Make a copy of the original and keep that in a safe place. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. I took medication for years, before I decided I didn't like and chose to stop taking meds (with my parents). I did not disclose my name or address when I created this account. 3. This is done by directly contacting you the pilot. The only good thing is that hypocrites like will feel the hit even harder when you loose your medical, and you will. I WAS A BIRD DOG PILOT IN VIETNAM FOR 3+ YEARS WHEN I WAS SENT TO THE DECK BY SMALL ARMS FIRE. You just never know, and even a thorough and honest medical will never catch anything. We know that the incidence of major depression in the general population is 10%. I am probably am the only one who will answer that I like to go for the medical because if forces me to go to the doctor. Even if you can disprove a legitimate history or diagnosis of ADHD (discussed further below), use of a disqualifying medication within 90 days of application will usually lead to a denial. I truly believe that if we allowed a 3rd class medical on only a drivers license we would be just as safe as we are today; and pilots would be in even better health because they would feel free to see their doctor again. Yeah that is what I have been hearing. Sign up for our free email newsletter, packed with tips, tricks and news for pilots. You can ask the Civil Aerospace Medical Institute for statistics on fatalities in which medical conditions were either the direct cause or a contributing factor. We are equally desiring of our freedom, but because we are a small group, the bureaucracy can get away with it. what tests you need, when you need to take these tests, etc) to satisfy the FAA that youre good to go. Like driving big trucks and boats have no such pseudo-medical crap. ASMEL, CFII, AME, Hi, Im currently a student pilot I finally saved up the money to go after my dream. Mike F, I agree, Im probably taking the same medication, also works for IBS. Needless to say, I dont have my class 3 medical now. It's safer to allow people to self-disclose and get help, rather than non-disclosure and possibly flying impaired. There are too many who are afraid of liability. If you have any concerns about your next FAA flight physical. Your signature at the bottom authorizes the FAA to search the National Drivers Registry for violations involving alcohol or illegal drugs, for instance, so you may want to think twice about trying to conceal a drunk driving conviction. I gave up on my dreams. But here is where the absurdity of this over zealous pursuit of perfect safety is to be seen: Good Luck. People, in general, are in better health than they were 20-30 years ago, largely by not smoking, watching their weight, eating less fatty foods, etc. Yes, they do. Emmons wait until you have an episode of situational hypertension or have to see a marriage counselor. I always had to do a stress test, but starting 2 years ago, that has been expanded to require radionuclide scintigraphy every other year.

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